2K11

[T. J.]

да модельки хорошие, но главное то как они будут двигаться!!В 10 по сравнению с 9 очень хорошо над анимацией поработали, правильные движения игроков - первое что бросилось в глаза после установки.

надеюсь в 11 еще более усовершенствуют этот компонент.

Ну и хочется уже каких-то подробностей, официальных речей разработчиков, о том как все будет круто, чтобы сидеть читать и так "да... круто будет" а потом типам расказывать которые не вкурсах)))

[<")))><]

меня столько блума на скринах бесит. потому ставлю им "неуд".

Ну это постановочный скрин, максимум к игре отношение имеет если он из повтора сренден, а может и вообще специально на движке в редакторе.

В игре то такого не будет.

[Top]

понятно, что не будет. но от скринов, я жду более-менее какого-то представления о игре. и количество блума влияет на него негативно.

[Loomis]

Mike Wang, Sr. Game Designer on NBA 2K11 and Jerson Sapida, Gameplay Producer, tals about some of the AI (artificial intelligence) improvements that they’ve made to NBA 2K11. Also check out new screenshots released today.

Before we get into that, I wanted to reveal a new option that we’ve added for this year’s game that I am sure will excite you throughly. We have a huge team here and we all have a different perspective for how a basketball sim should be played/tuned, much like our ever-growing consumer base. One way we attempted to satisfy all parties was to introduce a new option called Game Style. Changing this option will significantly change the way you experience NBA 2K11. So when you get your hands on the game this October, play around with the different settings, as well as the difficulty level setting, to see what best fits your style of game and experience level. Here’s a quick rundown of what we were shooting for with the different settings:

Default: Kind of a hyper-realism. Shooting %’s will be slightly higher than real life, there will be fewer fouls, slightly more dunks, more and 1’s, etc. “Let ‘em play hoops” so to speak.

Casual: This is the setting you want if you like up and down play with lots of dunks and highlight moments. There won’t be a whole lot of stoppages and you’ll see higher scoring across the board. Arcade-style play is probably the best way to describe it.

Simulation: Real life stats. This is my game style of choice. With 12-min. quarters, you will easily see NBA averages across your stat lines. Don’t expect anything easy in the paint, you’ll have to work a lot harder and execute good basketball strategy to be successful in Sim.

Custom: If you manually modify sliders and settings on your own, the game slider will automatically change to Custom.

Offense

Now let’s talk about AI. Authenticity and Signature Style have always been strong points of 2K basketball. For NBA 2K11, we really wanted to take that to new heights both on the player level, as well as the team level. When I came back to the team last year and saw how much work the guys had done with the player tendencies, in partnership with 82games, I was really impressed. The thing I was most impressed by is how well all of the new tendencies had been integrated into the code. You can really see how each player rating and tendency is translated into how a real basketball player “thinks” out there on the floor. When I first played NBA 2K10, the difference between the superstars and the not-so-superstars immediately came through. But as I took the game to the lab, and really dissected each player and team, it really gave me an appreciation for just how much work had been done in that regard. Kobe loved his dribble pull up, Melo attacked like Melo on the perimeter as well as in the post, and J.R. Smith launched any shot from anywhere and everywhere without hesitation.

Still, when we all got together to discuss upgrades for this year’s game, there were a lot of things that we wanted to see improve on the offensive end. Here are some of the new tendencies that we added for 2K11:

Tendency to use glass: Giving some love to Tim Duncan and Dwyane Wade

Tendency to Give an Go: Before this was somewhat random, now guys will pass and cut realistically based on their real life tendencies

Playmaker tendency: We really wanted to differentiate pass-first players from shoot-first players. Now guys like Steve Nash and Chris Paul will do a much better job creating offense for their teammates.

Touches tendency: This was a big one for me. We really wanted players who “dominate” the ball to feel like they controlled the ball on offense much more. Whereas before, the PG typically had the ball a majority of the time in the half-court… when things broke down you’d see the PG take over and shoot more often than we wanted. With the Touches tendency, we can ensure that the stars have the ball in their hands more, and as a result, take those tough shots to bail out their teams when plays break down. It also allowed us to re-work the way we initiate plays, which I’ll expand on shortly.

Tendency to attack strong: Some players like to bull their way through the defense when attacking the rim, while others shy away from the contact. That should now come through in NBA 2K11

Tendency to use the new shots: I’ll be going into more detail later on what all these new shots are in a later Insight, but for now, just know that there’s plenty of cool new “stuff” you can do with the Shot Stick. Obviously, it’s important that our AI players not only use all the new shot types, but also in the correct situations. Our AI engineers spent a lot of time working on this logic and it really shows. One of the coolest things to see when you’re playing against the AI, is have them break you down with a nice dribble move, see a hole in your defense, and attack it properly with the right finish. It really goes a long way to making you feel like you’re playing another intelligent human opponent rather than a machine that just randomly pushes buttons.

Dribble Move Tendencies: These were in last year as well but with the addition of new moves, it gave us the chance to go in and improve AI ball handler drive behaviors and their use of Isomotion. Instead of just standing around waiting for plays to develop, the AI will now make good use of the improved size up dribble moves, protect the ball properly when pressured, and respond appropriately when given too much space or an open lane. These changes make our AI-controlled ball handlers look much more intelligent and really put you on your toes when you’re playing defense.

Tendency for putback dunks/layups: Before this was more or less random, now guys like Dwight will be a problem on the offensive glass.

On top of giving the AI more tendencies, there were a lot of other improvements made to the AI engine to make it smarter in its attack. End of game logic was a big one as well. There’s nothing worse than having an epic back and forth battle with the AI only to have it make a bone-headed decision in the closing moments to seal its fate. Too many times the AI would dribble out the entire shot clock when needing a quick basket, fire up a long deuce when down by three, or rush in for a forced shot when it could’ve dribbled out the clock for a win. We spent a lot of time cleaning up those types of issues in NBA 2K11.

Another big area of improvement is in our “Freelance” offense. If you’re familiar with 2K hoops, you know that Freelance is a complex set of behaviors that the AI runs when it’s not actively running a set play. This is also the state your teammates are in most of the time when you don’t manually call plays or run a set offense. One of the things we felt that needed improvement is what we call offensive teammate support. That is, whenever the user is actively “doing something” the AI needs to do its best to support that action. So, for example, if you break down your initial defender and drive the lane, your bigs should give you space inside, while your perimeter players look to spot up for jumpers or trail you in for a dish off or offensive board. Conversely, sometimes in previous iterations your AI teammates would clutter up the paint or run around frantically trying to “look busy.” We spent a great deal of time analyzing real team offenses this year and doing work to re-create how teams moved (or didn’t move) off the ball. The result is a much more realistic half-court offense and offensive behaviors that vary based on real-life tendencies. In other words, teams that run a lot of movement in the half-court will play much differently than the teams that like to stand around. This work also incorporated much attention to spacing. A lot of times your perimeter players on the weak side would creep into the mid-range or post area in NBA 2K10. This caused the defense to be a lot more compressed, resulting in an annoyingly packed interior. Now, everyone spaces the court much better, allowing for more realistic driving lanes and kickout opportunities. The last thing regarding Freelance is in relation to how guys moved away from the ball. Something that I’ve always wanted to see in a basketball game is to have guys cut, spot up, or space the floor in a way that really reflects the urgency (or in the case of weak side spacing, lack of urgency) of those types of moves. If a player cuts to the basket the exact same way he trots out to the perimeter to space the floor, it really takes away from the immersion of the experience for me. To that end, we added well over 200 dedicated off ball offensive movement animations to give life to our players. Everything from V-Cuts, to L-Cuts, to Slice Cuts, to Baseline Curls, to Backdoors… there’s an animation for every situation you can name. And when you couple the new animations with the vastly improved offensive movement model (which blend together seamlessly I should add), the flow of NBA Basketball never looked sweeter in the virtual world.

The transition game also went through a number of changes this year. This was a big sore spot for Rob Jones, who wrote the last Developer Insight and he worked closely with one of our AI engineers to ensure that fast breaks ran properly, as well as the secondary breaks and transition offense. Among other things, you’ll see changes like: improved pacing, players taking more intelligent lanes, running the break all the way through rather than spotting up unnecessarily, and players no longer crossing paths on their way up the court. On the other end, you’ll see better “pick up man” logic and the defensive anchor actually playing in the proper position. Additionally, there’s much better differentiation between the teams and players that like to get out and run vs. the ones that tend to slow it up. So instead of seeing all players take off in an all out sprint after every change of possession, you’ll see the effort players really getting out quick while some guys hang back and transition up court more leisurely.

Last but not least, the most significant AI-related offense change for NBA 2K11… revamped plays! Up until this year, plays in 2K basketball have been generic. There were a few team-specific ones, but for the most part, all teams would run the same stuff. For this year, we hired a 3rd party consultant to not only scout each and every NBA team (including classic teams for our Jordan Challenge), but to also implement and test the play data himself. It was a long and arduous process for him, but the work is a complete game changer. I’ll admit that even as a hardcore basketball gamer, I used to only call plays about 10-20% of the time in past games. Now, I pretty much call a play every trip down the floor. Not only do they run better, thanks to a lot of engineering work to improve the under the hood mechanics, they also serve to put each player in a spot to be effective given his skill set. As in real life, the plays are also crafted in such a way that several of the sets share the same basic initial setup. However, there will be wrinkles and branches within the plays themselves to disguise each play’s intent. This keeps the defense guessing and helps to make your offense that much tougher to pick apart. Re-architecting the play sets allowed us to have teams that run their offense through swings rather than their PG do the same as real life. So a team like Miami will initiate plays through Wade and Lebron, while a PG-centric team like Phoenix will still run everything through Nash. In addition to replicating a team’s real life play set, we also spent a lot of time replicating a team’s offensive tempo. More methodical teams like San Antonio will use the clock to their advantage, whereas a team like Golden State will run a few quick screens and fire at their first decent look. I can’t overstate just how much more authentic the play changes have made an already authentic NBA experience. It’s just one of those things you’re going to have to try out for yourself. But for me, it makes going into each game a new and dynamic experience where I have to craft a gameplan around my opponent. It’s cool that when I go up against a Boston vs. Orlando vs. LA vs. whoever else, that I actually have to not only strategize about how I’m going to execute my offense, but also how I plan to structure my defense to shut down their key players. And speaking of defense, I’m going to hand it over to Jerson to talk about how we’ve improved the other end of the floor.

Defense

What’s up fans. Jerson Sapida here for the defensive side of this week’s Insight. I spoke heavily about Defense last year. Now that Mike has given you a pretty good idea of what to expect on the offensive side of the ball, I will go over how our defenders will act/react to given situations.

Let’s start first and foremost with onball defense AI – preventing the ball handler from penetrating and getting to the hoop. When we first began development on NBA 2K11, revamping the defensive movement model was one of our top priorities - from both user-control and AI standpoint. This is essential especially for onball defenders. We could write the most intelligent defensive AI, but without the responsive and tight movement system to complement it, the whole system would feel broken. As often is the case with basketball games, the dribbler feels like they have so many tools at their disposal to break down the defender. With this new movement model, our AI defenders can easily keep up with the dribbler and react to moves and quick changes in direction. On top of that, we gave our defenders a cutoff move this year. It’s a quick hop move (in any desired direction) that allows our defender to react to the dribbler’s first step. Our onball AI defender, based on their defensive rating, will utilize this move at the first sign of a drive from the ball handler. The user can also execute this same move, but we can touch upon that on later Insights about controls. Going back to anticipating a drive/attack, the defender will sag off and give space when the dribbler sizes him up on the perimeter. That extra space could mean the difference between getting beat and getting a body on their man.

Logic for shading has also been improved. Defenders will shade their matchup to their dominant hand and force them to drive on a non-favored side – our Off-Hand Dribble rating plays into steal successes, making shading a valuable tool. The AI will be smart about this and will take into account the ball handler’s dribbling ability when shading, so you wouldn’t see a defender shading Chris Paul, who can pretty much go either way. Another aspect of the game where shading is utilized is forcing a player baseline from the wing, using the out of bounds line as a second defender (add in the backboard as a third). As a side note, the baseline cheese has been addressed in NBA 2K11, making this part of the court difficult to exploit this year. Forcing them to baseline can yield dribble-loss from bodyups (losing the ball or picking up their dribble) and tough baseline contact shots.

Help defense has also been given an upgrade this year. One of the issues last year was that our help defender took the shortest route possible to pick up the dribbler. It really killed them in the end because by the time they get close enough to the threat, a clear path to the basket is already available to the ball handler. What we’ve done this year is make the defender smarter by taking into consideration where the basket is at when committing to help. Instead of homing in like a missile, they will look for the driving lane and estimate the best point of intersect. Their priority is to close out the dribble lane, thus denying an easy look at the basket. Help defenders also now reduce pressure and sag off their man as they detect an incoming threat. This puts them in a better position to make that play at the ball.

Overall, our chase and pursuit logic has been reworked to better position the defenders on the court. For offball (and onball) defenders, they will now cut under the traffic when chasing after their man out in the perimeter. This way, they do not get tangled and get beat especially if their man is making a cut to the basket. It was pretty frustrating last year when AI defenders put themselves in a bad situation because of a poor pursuit angle and decision making. This is much better now with NBA 2K11.

Double teaming in the post has been improved to detect mismatches on the floor. Guys will now help out a vulnerable/overmatched defender – resulting from switches and rotations – when he’s being backed down. This way, when you find Nash being backed down by a big, best believe you will get some help down low.

Defenders are also smarter now in reacting to pick and rolls. Guys will hedge out to help his teammate. They will also drift towards the basket with the cutters, making you think twice about making that pass.

Rotation has been completely refined for 2K11. We’ve made it so that the rotation system is consistent; making it a part of the pick and roll, double team, and offball screen system. Whereas in years past they were handled separately by whatever system triggered it, it’s now centralized. What this means is that you will get consistent and smarter switches on the floor.

Stay tuned for more info. There's more to chat about with Offense/Defense and of course feeling like you're in control so more Insights are in your future. In the meantime, thanks for reading!

[Loomis]

Все это читали? У меня сложновато с англицким, но из того, что я понял, мне очень нравятся их начинания. Как всегда надеюсь, что начинания претворятся в жизнь. Особенно порадовали три стиля настроек и прикрепление игрокам определенных тенденций в атаке. В защите я мало что понять смог.

[Loomis]

В защите вроде доработают даблтим. Это было бы просто счастье, а то невероятно раздражало, когда, например, игрок уходил с периметра, оставляя снайпера, для того, чтобы помочь мне с тем игроком, с которым я и сам справлюсь.

[Loomis]

Ну где все-то?

[Vinil]

спим

[SergEl]

или играю уже!

[TaZman]

Чумовая будет игра. Предыдущие две брал на компьютер- они ужасно глючные, и больше желания возиться с ними нет. Эту надо будет брать на PS3.

[Gilbert0]

Чумовая будет игра. Предыдущие две брал на компьютер- они ужасно глючные, и больше желания возиться с ними нет. Эту надо будет брать на PS3.

таз, у меня такая же проблема с десятой, ужасно глючит, разные версии скачивал, брал диски и тоже самое. но 11 куплю себе на Xbox

[TaZman]

их можно понять, ПК-игроки игру не покупали- а скачивали с торрентов. Портирование наверняка едва окупалось. Поэтому и суппорт у игры был плохой, и контента не было. Да что там, люди некоторые на клаве пытались играть.

Так как ПС3 у меня, к счастью, есть- лучше заплатить больше денег- но зато получить качественный продукт. Так и сделаю. Представляю, сколько будет стоить коллекционная версия )

[Gilbert0]

я за диск для ящика заплачу 200р, только поэтому бокс круче ПС3. хотя может сделают прошивку на пс

[ORTIZ]

а я вот покупаю стопку болванок Мирекс за 700руб. так что я экономнее вас всех)

[TaZman]

да не, чувак, я про лицензию говорю. я уже достаточно раньше натырил будучи студентом/школьником, чтобы продолжать тырить, когда уже работаю и деньги зарабатываю. позиция ИМХО, так что не в упрек.

[Gilbert0]

а я вот покупаю стопку болванок Мирекс за 700руб. так что я экономнее вас всех)

у меня таких штук 200, но двд-ром старый и не записывает игры для ящика

[5in@row]

Чумовая будет игра. Предыдущие две брал на компьютер- они ужасно глючные, и больше желания возиться с ними нет. Эту надо будет брать на PS3.

где 2к10 глючит на ПК? до сих пор играю с геймпадом и все шикарно.

[ELM]

видимо, у Таза машинка слабоватая

[5in@row]

их можно понять, ПК-игроки игру не покупали- а скачивали с торрентов. Портирование наверняка едва окупалось. Поэтому и суппорт у игры был плохой, и контента не было. Да что там, люди некоторые на клаве пытались играть.

Так как ПС3 у меня, к счастью, есть- лучше заплатить больше денег- но зато получить качественный продукт. Так и сделаю. Представляю, сколько будет стоить коллекционная версия )

Мих, ты в какую игру играл?) Вот уж скоро год, как я рубаю в десятку на ПК и ни грамма глюков. Ну вообще их нет. Все шикарно, все летает, это в дополнение к моему предыдущему посту. Плюс ПК имеет такую вещь как патчинг и моддинг. Те площадки и текстуры игроков, что делают ребята из сети стоят того, что бы играть на ПК. Какой бы крутой не была 2К всегда можно что-то улучшить, подретушировать, добавить блюрика кое где. Может просто у тебя комп слабоват?)

[TaZman]

Машинка у меня очень бодрая. Зато я понял, в какие версии играли вы )))

Я скачал NBA 2k9 сперва тоже. Поставил, играл счастливо, патч на кроссы, моды разные- все отлично. Потом вышла лицензия от 1с. Я снес прокачанную пиратку и поставил лицензию. И знаете что ? В лицензии те же траблы с сохранениями, плюс какие-то нечеловеческие зависания, пропадания текстур. Но это ладно, это было не всегда. Зато патчи и моды, которые стояли до этого- на лицензию не ставились. Люди бегали без лиц и кроссовок. И не думайте, что у меня руки из жопы растут- все было сделано так же, как и когда я это все ставил на пиратку и все было ок.

С 10 версией та же самая хрень. Меня просто достало это все.

Кстати, про скорость. Если на пиратке я легко гонял с максимальными настройками везде, где только можно- с игрой в дисководе были ощутимые подтормаживания. Это не катит слегка, по-моему.

[Oxygenium]

лол.

Не бери вообще локализацию. Это узаконенное насилие людей в открытом виде.

[Loomis]

Баги, конечно, есть, особенно в 10, но это не назовешь мучениями(если не считать испорченного май плеера). Пару маленьких патчиков и все шоколадно.

Интересно, добавят ли новых данков и исправят ли май плеер?

[ELM]

ага. и шоб 360 between a legs с игры валить

[Loomis]

ага. и шоб 360 between a legs с игры валить

Вот это точно нахрен. Точнее пусть будет в аркадном режиме, а в реалистичном нет.

[Mr.Vegas]